Effects that end 'at end of turn' and effects that end at the beginning of an end step. First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#U.. 719.1d; see also C.R. The game advances through the lowest number of iterations chosen and the player who chose that number receives priority. Card Name: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4 Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard Card Text: : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. 719.1d; see also C.R. Doesn't work at all. Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. This means that the control changing effect will still end and the artifact will revert to its previous controller. Playtest v1. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. We are mainly confused about at the next end step and until end of turn effects. A trigger waiting for "the beginning of the next end step" would trigger on the next turn's End Step (assuming it happens, your opponent might have an Obeka too). Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. At any point in the game, the player with priority may suggest a shortcut by describing a sequence of game choices, for all players, that may be legally taken based on the current game state and the predictable results of the sequence of choices. $1.80. Just wanted to say that this is a such a brilliant answer - you sound like an academic. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. I have Obeka, Brute Chronologist enchanted with Freed from the Real and all the blue mana I need. by LordsofChaos115, Sedris, Grave Defiler. TCGPlayer Mkt $565 - 472. 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I'm not a judge but I'm like 99% sure this doesn't work. A forum for Questions and Discussions about the Rules of Magic the Gathering. 719.1d; see also C.R. As for some cards to remove, I'll take a look, but if I'm trying to build a deck that can handle attention, I look first at cards that will hurt only 1 player, unless that card will almost certainly end that player, either right away or in a few turns. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide ]), Made possible by our patrons, phpBB, Scryfall, and Others. Discord Server | by Astroburrito, Kess Wizzards Obeka interaction question with cards that read "next end Obeka until end of turn vs at next end step. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. Card Number: 289. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. For the cards she plays nicely with, you generally need to allow the trigger to be put on the stack first in order to permanently delete it. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. It's amazing. ._3oeM4kc-2-4z-A0RTQLg0I{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between} Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard 3/4: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Sometimes a loop can be fragmented, meaning that each player involved in the loop performs an independent action that results in the same game state being reached multiple times. by RowanKeltizar 2 years ago, Post Rulings. 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. Bident of Thassa is glorious if you want both of it's effects, forcing people to attack is incredibly mean, and this doesn't require you to run a weenie like Goblin Diplomats, but that's also a fun card fwiw. Should I enter the end phase, then use Obeka to exile the "you lose the game" ability, then during the cleanup step Thawing Glaciers would trigger, and I would need to either use a Sundial of the Infinite, or untap Obeka with a spell or ability and use her ability again? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It seems you have the correct knowledge of how Obekas ability works, but here is a link for sundial of the infinite which acts exactly the same as Obeka. ._2a172ppKObqWfRHr8eWBKV{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:8px}._39-woRduNuowN7G4JTW4I8{margin-top:12px}._136QdRzXkGKNtSQ-h1fUru{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:8px 0;width:100%}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_,._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{margin-left:auto}._1-25VxiIsZFVU88qFh-T8p{padding:0}._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColor)} It's fun, it's a little weird, it's a cool card. There is also Sudden Spoiling, which is powerful but lasts for that turn, or Polymorphist's Jest, which is similarly a 1 turn solution. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything on this. Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.ea0ac1df4e6491a16d39_.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} There are some good resources to show the difference between what goes on the stack and what doesnt with end of turn effects but I dont have them on hand currently and you do have the correct understanding of what effects go on the stacks and what doesnt. planning on building an Obeka, Brute Chronologist commander deck, but first i want to see how her turn ending ability interacts with other cards:. Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. All in all, lots of Magic on my mind. Sundial of the Infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)Identity Thief - (G) (SF) (txt)Ball Lightning - (G) (SF) (txt)Heat Shimmer - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Monday, December 14th, 2020. 3) State-based actions are checked. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) Please link all cards using double brackets. All of 722 has relevant text to the interaction but the exploit I'm proposing utilizes 722.3 specifically: "Sometimes a loop can be fragmented, meaning that each player involved in the loop performs an independent action that results in the same game state being reached multiple times. I figured since the tournament rules stated that the word action could essentially be substituted for choice when resolving loops it would also apply here. Guest-only advertisements. Don't know if it fits the theme of the deck, but it's an absolute pet card. The discussion above applies to these abilities as they do to "at the beginning of the next end step" abilities, except "end step" is replaced with "end of combat step". Obeka Ruling Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and we've been struggling to understand the ruling. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. Kougaiji38, you seem to have some misconceptions. There is also Kardur, Doomscourge that will force everyone's hand. This can be found in the rulings on gatherer. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Has Purphoros been working well for you? (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - (G) (SF) (txt)Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, Thank you so much everybody! ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} I would even argue there is no loop to propose. A couple days ago my friend told me the heard about a quirky rules lawyer-y interaction involving [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] that I just love if it's true. If anyone has any information on this and can help us out, it would be much appreciated. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). If you use Obeka with Act, you still give the creature back. Jesper Ejsing. 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This includes spells and abilities . (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. There are abilities that trigger "at the beginning of the next cleanup step", but they're relatively rare (examples are found in [[Thawing Glaciers]], [[Waylay]], and [[Armor of Thorns]]). Commander / EDH Multiplayer Tokens UBR (Grixis) Cobara86. There is a smattering of ways you can run less lands/ramp, but these all come with downsides, but in Grixis you can run 4 solid Bounce Lands, Dimir Aqueduct and Guildless Commons should be in here as well if you want a lower land count, these let you hit another land drop when you draw them. Login or Register to hide these ads. 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This doesn't work either because you are not at the same game state after your opponent decides to not end the turn. Commander Legends Foil: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Edition: Commander Legends: Type: Legendary Creature - Ogre Wizard: Cast: Rarity: R: Pow/Tuf: 3/4 . Firecat Blitz: how does it effect tokens that disappear on the end step . Good job, WotC. by Cobara86, Time after Time But with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite), you can "cancel" certain abilities that say "at the beginning of the next end step" or "at end of combat", if you end the turn at the right moment. Also, I think loops generally have to do something for a judge to not consider them stalling, and I don't think making my opponent say "no" counts as doing something. As with "beginning of the next end step" abilities, if you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while a "beginning of the next cleanup step" ability is on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again. There was a ruling question I had that took forever to understand because it wasn't specified whether she copied the spell "each time she visited the attraction" or "one time when she visited the attraction". Switch . Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. ", Edit: the majority was right. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. Press J to jump to the feed. 1 available @ $0.47 . I untap and retap Obeka with the same question. Opponents upkeep, spell is resolving, whatever. They naturally refuse. 603.3). Terms of Use | So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. It doesn't work at all. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. You have to choose a finite amount of times to execute the loop. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. The active player, you, must choose a different action. Ive done a lot of reading and keep getting conflicting information. by LoneEmberFTW, New Lord Sets / Printings. It's akin to "concede or I stall". Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Let's say I'm on my second turn off a Final Fortune. It no longer is printed on cards (and has been errated off of old cards) to signify a trigger. [Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] I want to build her so bad but every time I try I hurt my head . In the future, you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel best answers your question. What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? Magic Online Promos Rare. I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. I really need more way to get haste into my deck and he seems like a pretty good add that can help cheat big dude into play that meet his restriction. This text, though, is unconventional for an ordinary triggered ability, so read it as "At end of combat, exile this creature". It cant include conditional actions, where the outcome of a game event determines the next action a player takes. The End Phase consists of two steps, the End Step and the Cleanup Step.The End Step doesn't really do much, it basically exists so that triggers looking for it can trigger and gives players a chance to do stuff before the turn ends.The Cleanup Step on the other hand does a lot. How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? Thanks! 603.7b, 614.10a). This site 2023 TappedOut.net, LLC ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} Rulings. Here is how it would work. I'm sure no one else is too surprised though . The trigger to exile the tokens happens on your end step, so using Obeka lets you keep the tokens permanently. Contact | So you would then need to make a choice to not activate Obeka? Ashes to Ashes and Reckless Spite also exist fwiw, and if you aren't certain you'll have creatures out, Tergrid's Shadow can do a bit of work, as can Plaguecrafter or Demon's Disciple, cards Sedris can recur for 2B even. Delina, Wild Mage has an effect that creates a token with an ordinary triggered ability, which says "Exile this creature at end of combat" at the time of this writing. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. Ending the turn skips directly to the cleanup step of the turn. Say you could build a deck around just Goatnapper-ing someone else's commander and now swinging back at them? Donate below to support the site and remove all ads. I may have to put it together and try it out. If you consistently have a fairly big creature, or one with Deathtouch and Lifelink, Chandra's Ignition is one sided by definition, one of many cards that shines brightly with Basilisk Collar (which is also very good with Jaya Ballard, Task Mage or even good old Banshee, Jaya's 6 damage wipe really is amazing if you've got Collar on her, though it'll kill her too). The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Greven, Predator Captain the One Punch Man, Community Software Feedback and Bug Reports, Tresserhorn (zombies, check out my primer! Wouldn't underworld breach exile at the end step of the next player: "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Underworld Breach." [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]]; [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]]. Not if 720.3[edit 722.3] (added reference in OP) takes effect. Average Deckbox Price. 514.2). ._2Gt13AX94UlLxkluAMsZqP{background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:contain;position:relative;display:inline-block} The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. Should you stop buying MtG products? Per the rules you linked: If two or more players are involved in maintaining a loop within a turn, each player in turn order chooses a number of iterations to perform. This does literally nothing. One one hand, all actions and decisions are voluntary and not mandatory, so it's not a forced draw. Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. Abilities that say "at the beginning of the next end step" (or any other ability that says "at", "whenever", or "when") express triggered abilities, and almost all those triggered abilities go on the stack (including all of them that say "at"). 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This site is unaffiliated. 2020-11-10. @keyframes _1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT{0%{opacity:0}to{opacity:1}}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc{--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;padding:3px 9px;position:absolute;border-radius:4px;margin-top:-6px;background:#000;color:#fff;animation:_1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT .5s step-end;z-index:100;white-space:pre-wrap}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc:after{content:"";position:absolute;top:100%;left:calc(50% - 4px - var(--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left));width:0;height:0;border-top:3px solid #000;border-left:4px solid transparent;border-right:4px solid transparent}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd{margin-top:6px}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after{border-bottom:3px solid #000;border-top:none;bottom:100%;top:auto} Rulings. It has " Tap: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/, https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296. Finally, "at the beginning of the end step" (examples include [[Ball Lightning]] and [[Heat Shimmer]]) expresses an ordinary triggered ability that likewise goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. It is strictly against the rules. If Obeka's ability is used to end the turn on the turn when nabber's effect ends does obeka's controller keep control of the artifact, or does it go back to the original controller? Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. I was playing a buddy of mine over the weekend and he had a good suggestion for my deck, which relies heavily on recurring creatures or making tokens and then keeping those creatures/tokens by skipping the end of turn triggers: darrenhabib how has the deck been doing for you? Imagine the following scenario: [[Aphetto Alchemist]] equiped with [[Illusionist's Bracers]] with our commander out. Then I talk about the interaction with extra turn cards in the "Extra turns" section. EDH decks and themes I'm currently playing! Thus, you can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. slythr: Answers to your question have been up for a while. by JovialJovian 2 years ago, Post I play a lot of Magic. I can't say I've heard of not being allowed to activate a free ability that shuffles your deck, especially because you might end up with the same card on top. 511.2, 603.7b). Thanks genius for the link. I had to explain it to my cEDH loving friend when they got excited over the spoilers. You are not the active player. Card Text: . by Outcryqq 2 years ago, Post Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. Signets and talismans seem extra good since they let us cast Obeka on turn 3. by Maelk. 30-day money back guarantee. $0.10. This trigger looks for the next end step to happen and triggers at that time. Feeds | "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Also worth noting is that ending the turn before the end step causes the At the beginning of the end step effects to trigger at the next end step that occurs since they were not triggered given the skipping of the end step. Isochron Scepter + Final Fortune + Obeka, Brute Chronologist (1582 decks) $13.99 $10.83 0.16 TIX Isochron Scepter $14.99 $15.68 1.01 TIX Final Fortune This doesn't work because you are the active player. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). EDIT (Sep. 24, 2022): Remove a rule citation. It removes marked damage from all permanents. I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? 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